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I think one of the problems with safer sex is that it’s become waaaaay to closely connected with condom use. Sometimes the two seem almost inseparable. What’s up with that?

My negative partner was checking out this very web site the other day with his usual eagle eye and stopped at the first question posed by one of the strippers in the Explicit Truth section. (You do know we have strippers, don’t you?) “This answer doesn’t make sense” he said. (He never really did have an eye for strippers. I don’t know what’s wrong with him!)

Here’s the question and response that he’d zeroed in on:

Q: Gay guys are abandoning condoms, True or False.

A: False; Whether we have HIV or not, most of us play safe most of the time. In a 2005 study, 70% of guys reported sex lives with little or no risk of HIV transmission.

That answer is a bit of a non sequitur, so I’m guessing it won’t be just my partner scratching his head on that one. I’m sort of OK with that, though; thinking is always good in my book. But I’m not so OK with the implication that safer sex equals condoms, as if the two terms are interchangeable. That’s clearly not the intent here, I know. In fact this site has a good little section that explains what safer sex can be. You can see that here: http://www.hivstigma.com/safer_sex.php It’s a far more inclusive list than just condom use, and rightly so.

It’s my take that condoms are a bit of a dog as a prevention methodology. Attempts to eroticize their use as a prevention strategy work for some, but clearly not for others. Some guys will tell you that sex feels better without them, that they kill the mood, that they turn Mr Big and Tall in to Misterr Softeee. BUT, despite all this, a tribute to our collective good sense I think, they are still a staple of every gays guy’s night-stand . More often than not they’re used when they need to be used. Or - and I think this is important - many guys find other ways to reduce risk. Collective pats on the backs, folks!

But I do wish we had something better for what some see as our prime defence against HIV. In the mean time, I think it’s productive to question whether condoms are the be all and end all of safer sex.

And while we’re on the subject of finding new prevention technologies, I’ve read a lot about circumcision lately. Don’t get me started about that . . .

By coincidence, I put up a photograph in my office yesterday. (We’re in a new home and still in the decorating phase.) It’s a photo I took at the International AIDS Conference in Toronto of the work of a Brazilian artist who works entirely with condoms. She makes fab dresses out of them, in fact. I like the way how she sees condoms in an entirely different light to the rest of us . . . . .

Tags: circumcision, condoms, disclosure, prevention, safer sex, stigma campaign

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I’ve not had one bout of diarrhea, fatique, or any of the other side-effects most commonly “talked about”. Like you Bob, I did have the bad dreams. Mine lasted a bit longer, for me it was a whole year, but come on, we’re talking about dreams here…

I had one bout of vision/memory issues, that turned out were caused because I was taking my medication on a full stomach (not to be done with Atripla as it increases the absorption and thus the strength), but when we figured that out, the only side-effect I have is the Truvada gas, which isn’t all that uncommon for guys over 40, Truvada or not..

It’s not just side-effects, even my labs are also TERRIFIC. When I started treatment, I started a very aggressive diet regimen that focused on limiting Saturated Fat to less that 5g per day. As a result my once high cholesterol/triglycerides are now in the lowest range. All my doctors are very impressed with this because without moderating diet, the number one comorbidity for HIV poz folks has to do with lipid related disorders.

So, anyone reading this, stop listening to what side effects you’ve “heard about”, and take the medication! Take it two years. Even if you DO experience side-effects, take the medication. Take it for two years! If after two years you’re still experiencing side-effects THEN you can decide if medication is not right for you, but give it two years because in that time you’re going to be feeling SO much better and your body is going to be responding so well to that treatment. I will admit that when it comes down to it medication is not right for everyone, but it is only something you can determine after you’ve tried. Don’t let the “hype” prevent you from trying.

Also, don’t underestimate the impact of a twice daily vs a once-a-day formulation. The number one thing that impacts the effectiveness of the medications is compliance. Estimates are that at least a 97% compliance rate is necessary to prevent mutations and thus prevent long term treatment failure.

Sorry, this is just a soap box issue for me. Compared side to side: 1) Zero viral replication and ANY side-effects from treatment, 2) Active viral replication and no treatment; Group #1 is always going to live longer, have a better quality of life, and going to minimize any impact on others [in spreading the disease].

I’m not trying to minimize that these drugs can have potent side-effects, but compared to drugs from even just 10 years ago the side-effects profiles are much better, and will any luck they will be even better in another 10 years. I say take your meds, and you’ll live to find out…
Eremir:
October 21, 2008 09:02 PM
Bob:

Of course I will keep visiting. How could I miss the chance to witness the great job you guys are doing with this campaign?

Thanks for the advice on Sustiva. I will definitely visit CATIE.
Bob:
October 21, 2008 07:07 PM
Eramir. Yours is just the kind if input we need. I hope a lot of people get to read whay you’ve said.

There is definitely the perception out there that HIV is not such a big deal now. We who have been there know better. Certainly side effects, if your’e lucky, CAN be less aggravating then they were in the old days, but they are still not to be taken lightly.

Some of the drugs are just plain yucky. For three years, needle-phobic me had to inject myself in the stomach with an entry inhibitor (Fuzeon). It was effective in stabilizing my viral load, but I have permanent scars - mental and physical - from all that. Now I take not one but five different meds each day and have to battle with the imapct on both kidney and liver function. Now thats’ not the picture we see in the ads, is it?

Having sad that, I just wanted to say something about Sustiva, since it’s the one you mention going on. Thing is there seems to be a big gap between the results experienced with this drug in clinical trials (only limited sleep disturnance and for a relatively short period) and what many people are reporting today. I don’t know why that is. For what its worth, my experience with this particular drug was not bad. The nightmares lasted only three weeks or so, and then I was OK. So experiences with this particular drug are clearly mixed. You might try going to CATIE to see if you can get some balanced opinion on this. You could end up to be one of the lucky ones, particularly if you go in to it with a positive atitude, no pun intended. Good luck with it.

Come back and vist us again, will you?
Bob:
October 21, 2008 06:36 PM
Hi Steve in Switzerland. Pollyana gets such a bad rap. She was a childhood fave of mine - Hayley Mills was a pre-teen goddess to me - so I take any attacks on her character seriously.

Seriously, though, the data presented on this site is based on quite compelling research: I too noted that sometimes it jives with our common perceptions, sometimes not. But I hear you about striking the right tone. It’s tricky. I think the developers have actually done a great job, but I also think that those who contribute to the site - like you and I - are the ones who ultimately shape the way the information here is processed. So far there has been a remarkable range of opinions - on almost everything.

What interests me particularly about your comments is how universal is the gay experience when it comes to having sex. Your issues with condoms and how you’ve approached them must ring true with guys from all over. Well done for striking a chord - and keep visiting us, will you?

And I promise to make absolutely no jokes about swiss rolls . . .
Brian F.:
October 21, 2008 03:32 PM
That’s what you get from either being over tired from endless meetings, or not awake in the morning. I’m not sure what time I wrote that, you are right I didn’t see that as tongue and cheek, but I can see that now.

It all brings up some good discussion though……
Eremir:
October 21, 2008 11:05 AM
I agree with Brian about the “1 with U” campaign. After one year living with HIV I have to start taking medication. I tried several natural approaches, but they did not work, so time for chemicals has arrived. One of the treatments my doctor proposed is taking Atripla once a day (the famous 1 pill that contains Sustiva). I started reading about it and the reports of people using it have really discouraged me to use it. In fact, they have not discouraged me; they have completely and utterly frightened me.

Now, the point is, if I would be not infected with HIV and I would see the ads of the cute guy holding the innocent 1 pill I would think “oh, it is not that bad then”. Little would I suspect that innocent pill can affect my life so dramatically that I prefer now to take a treatment with deadly liver damage risk instead of the convenient one pill.

So I agree again it would be great to have a campaign on that. Something that explains, for example, that I have been given now 3 nice choices (the risks of the three treatments my doctor sugested):

- dementia
- deadly liver damage
- hyperbilirubinemia with brain damage risk

Not to mention that diarrhea and nausea will be thrown in on the deal, whatever I choose.

I am happy I survive. Many people don’t have that choice. I am also happy I have access to the latest advances on HIV research. Some of my friends back home, for example, are still been prescribed AZT as the only option.
But I am sure I will not be as relaxed as the cute guy holding the white pill on the “1 with U” ads.
Bob:
October 21, 2008 08:35 AM
Brian I think Zac was probably taliking tongue in cheek with his “Use condoms because pople fucking lie” slogan. But any campaign that says, in effect “use condoms . . (insert dire consequences here)” won’t likely work nowadays, in my view, and I think yours too. The reason is it just doesnt recognze the fact that people choose not to use condoms for a very wide variety of reasons. That they dont consider HIV a big enough threat is just one of them. The research tells us what the others are, and they are all over the map, but they are complex, and not always logical. We need to pick the reaons off in messaging which addresses them, one by one. A one size-fits-all approach (like “Welcome to Condom Country” for instance) no longer works, in my view.

The stigma campaign is targetted towards thosee for whom it’s an issue. There are others out there for whom it’s probably not. Perhaps we’ll catch them next time around.
Anonymous:
October 21, 2008 08:02 AM
Hi Rob,

I stumbled onto your site and blog. And then I discovered the interactive strippers!

The one I wanted to play with wasn’t ready yet - yeah story of my life. Same with my second choice. But my third choice was ready and had a nice perky ass. Thanks for giving me a heads up on the answer to the first question though. I might have guessed wrong otherwise. It’s just that I keep running into guys at the sauna’s/baths who don’t even think about putting on a condom even in the most slutty, anonymous encounters and maybe even get stroppy when I bring the subject up. (I do mean slutty in a good way, btw.)

I take your point about condoms being a bit of a dog as far as a prevention methodology … I was too eager to do it without a condom exactly because Mr. Stiffy always went permanently AWOL while I fumbled around trying to get the damn foil packet open. And I really question the reliability of people who advertise that it feels just as good (for the circumcised top) with a latex barrier as without. Still despite condom fatigue I’ve come to terms with the idea that condoms are a must in a lot of the sexual situations I enjoy finding myself in. I think it’s important for sites like this to talk honestly about the pros and cons of condom use, for sure.

If the quiz with the hot stripper errs, it definitely errs on the Polyanna-ish side. Some of the other answers seem very “optimistic”. I imagine presenting the more optimistic viewpoint about prevention while shaking a hot ass is shaking in someone’s face must have an encouraging effect for sure.

“Come on guys! Everyone else really is having HOT SAFE SEX ALL THE TIME!” That has to work up to a point.

I also think (and I think we agree) that the “optimistic” explicit truth has to be combined in some form with the “realistic” explicit truth that few men (gay or straight) really want to wear a rubber, and that any prevention routine is “unnatural” and can quickly become a nuisance. Actually I’m personally more apt to go along with the nuisance of good prevention measures if you acknowledge to me that you understand I’d rather not have to go along with them at all.

Keep up the good work,
Steve (in Switzerland)
Brian F.:
October 21, 2008 07:29 AM
I don’t like the Use Condom, cause people fucking lie. The summation, although some people do, would include me in it, and I don’t want a campaign that is putting me in the same pool as the “liars” We are in a new day and age, and the old campaigns won’t work as the times have changed.

Having said that, I’m not for negative messaging that is going to include me into it. There are way more factors that go into the equation about how people address issues of disclosure, all of which I won’t go into now. Messaging that contained those reasons in small sound bites is much more agreeable than calling people liars. People not disclosing is not the major issue, the guys who are newly infected, highly infectious who think they are negative are of huge concern.

Personally I’m met enough guys that it doesn’t matter what kind of campaign you put out there that they are not going to use them and a poster is never going to change that. The risk/benefit in their minds is clearly worth it.

What about the guys into the “party favours” and the culture that goes around this. This is why I say and will continue to say that is it not a black and white issue.

But I would agree with a campaign like, “It’s not as much fun as you’d think.” There needs to be some education around the realities of what its like to live with HIV these days. With statements such as “Gay guys with HIV have got it so easy.” really concern me.

An ongoing multi-prong approach to creating awareness of changing what I call the risk/benefit analysis of not using condoms might have some value. One pill a day containing that evil drug Sustiva which has screwed up many friend’s lives, including my own, is not like being on vacation. Yet we see the 1 With U and One Life campaign reinforcing the concept of HIV being more convenient devoid of any of the realities of this kind of life.
Bob:
October 20, 2008 06:05 PM
Rodger. Hello again. As you know by now, I have problems with any new messaging which simply pushes condom use, not because I don’t think guys should use the damned things (far from it) but because it’s a form of prevention messaging that probably just doesn’t work anymore.

As you imply, to be honest and straightforward about our poz status, always, sets the bar very high indeed, and who of us are always up to that challenge, if indeed disclosure is always necessary? So I like that you point out that we poz guys are human. I join you in recognizing - because its seldom said - that neg guys are human too.
Rodger:
October 20, 2008 05:36 PM
“Use condoms, cause people f*cking lie!”

How about “strive to use condoms for anal sex most of the time because it is the smartest choice to protect yourself from risk” instead? Because that is in fact the primary reason. And it makes more sense to focus on what you yourself can do to reduce risks, instead of sounding the alarm about “liars” with HIV as being at blame.

I have a real problem with focusing on “dishonest” people who know they have HIV as the driver behind new infections. More than one recent study has indicated that most new infections are from highly infectious recently infected people who don’t know their own status.

This attempt at laying blame on “dishonest” people lacks some important nuances. I do not think it is categorically wrong for people to lie about their status, frankly. But I don’t think such a lie should ever be used to convince another person to engage in high-risk sex though. I also don’t think it’s a good idea for people who know they have HIV to have unprotected sex with a person of unknown status without some kind of discussion about the risks. But I also know that when people get HIV they don’t stop being human and imperfect. We allow people who are HIV-negative the freedom to be human and make mistakes.
Bob:
October 20, 2008 04:48 PM
Zac. I agree with you, condom fatigue is a big factor. Doesn’t help also that some neg guys are feeling that HIV is no big deal anymore. I’d argue differently, of course. But research tells us that for many people it’s more complicated than that still.

Research tells us that gay guys often make decisions about sex on the basis of assumptions they make about their potential sex partner’s status. Sometimes they are right, sometimes not; its a faulty decision-making mechanism, for sure. Those faulty assumption often arise because of the absence of discussion of the topic of status and risk, understandable of course when so much stigma, perceived or real, exists in our community.

So this campaign tries to tackle that stigma head on. My take is that prevention messaging focussing purely on the use of condoms without addressing why folks don’t always use them is a really tricky proposition nowadays, and perhaps doomed. It’s a bit akin to the condom fatigue phenomenon - after all this time, folks are tired of hearing variations on the same message. We really need, I think (or I wouldn’t be putting my face out there) to address the complexities of human behaviour instead, based on the best research available, Hence the birth of this campaign.

So - it sounds like we agree on the goal. while differing on the best way to reach it. There is in fact a lot of discussion to be had on this topic, including whether our approach is the right one. Which is why I welcome your contribution so much. I hope you’ll continue here and on other pages too, because we need your voice.
Zac:
October 20, 2008 03:17 PM
If people believe that the answer is “False” then I would like to know what protected enclaves they live in, because it’s not any of the places I have ever lived or visited…

I believe that ANY analysis of the increase in HIV among Men who have sex with Men, that doesn’t mention the words “Condom Fatigue” is naive at best, and absolutely misleading at worse.

I have to go no further than my own example to know that this is true.

I am a forty year old man.

I am a bright, intelligent, well educated man.

I grew up in rural Alabama, and contrary to what many people might think, we had public education about AIDS [this was 1983, so it was about AIDS and not HIV] that included discussions around how safe sex could prevent the spread of AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases (it’s sad how much ground has been lost in education in the last 20 years, but that’s another topic). So the message of condom use has been pounded into my head for 23 years, through every channel imaginable.

But in my late 30s I just got tired of it all.

There is this false sense that surely you have “lived past it”.

A false sense that “Surely everyone that has it is already on the treatments, right?”

That it’s now just a disease of the young. A disease of drug users.

All these little denials that come about when fatigue of any kind sets in.

All of the denials add up to slips. Slips add up to mistakes. And mistakes add up to risks that you know you should not take, but after SO long denying yourself such simple pleasures, feel so good!

Without understanding these simple facts, then any kind of “message” is just going to get wrapped in a denial, and then a rationalization.

In the early days the messages worked because the fact was simple: Use condoms, or die.

Now that the message is just not as simple, it gets harder and harder. I mean:

Use condoms, or you’ll have to take a lot of medication, that has side-effects that nobody is really happy with, yet you’ll probably still live longer than most non-infected people you know will because you know how important your health is so you’ll take better care of yourself, and receive better health care than most over the years; sure there will be impact to your life but it’s not something you can’t life with.

…just doesn’t pack the same punch, eh?

So far the best, bring it home to momma message I can come up with is:

Use condoms, cause people f*cking lie!

It’s not death, but at least it might make someone think when they otherwise wouldn’t.

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